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		<title>Motoring Solicitor&#8217;s Diary &#8211; Birmingham Magistrates Court</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in my home town yesterday for a drink drive trial.
We were running a technical argument in relation to the procedure at the police station, I had asked for the video of the intoxiliser room the day after the first hearing. It arrived on the morning of the trial!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in my home town yesterday for a drink drive trial.</p>
<p>We were running a technical argument in relation to the procedure at the police station, I had asked for the video of the intoxiliser room the day after the first hearing. It arrived on the morning of the trial!</p>
<p>Myself, the prosecutor, legal advisor, police officers and my client watched the video at length.</p>
<p>I so often hear from clients that the police have told them they will get a small fine and can avoid a ban. I always assumed that it was just to keep the clients quiet. Yesterday was an eye opener.</p>
<p>As we watched the video we heard the police officers tell the client over and over again that he would be able to keep his licence if he told the court that he would lose his job. Even when the 3 legally qualified people in the room told the police that this is not true they still insisted that they knew people who had argued special reasons and kept their licence.</p>
<p>Scary stuff!</p>
<p>Lets be clear, <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">if you are found guilty of drink driving you will be banned from driving for a minimum of 12 months </span><span style="font-weight: normal;"> The only exception is if you can show that your drinks were spiked. You cannot avoid a ban for drink driving because you are going to lose your job and if a Police officers tells you that you can &#8211; ignore them!</span></strong></p>
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		<title>Drink Driving Limits to be reduced</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ALCOHOL LIMIT TO BE REDUCED FOR DRINK DRIVING 

In a report published today Sir Peter North recommended that the legal limit for drink driving should be reduced from 80mg in blood to 50mg, almost half the previous limit. The breath limit will be 25, down from 35. This is not as big a reduction as the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">ALCOHOL LIMIT TO BE REDUCED FOR DRINK DRIVING <a rel="attachment wp-att-163" href="http://www.motoringlawyersonline.com/wordpress/2010/06/16/drink-driving-limits-to-be-reduced/breathaliser-4/"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-163" title="Breathaliser" src="http://www.motoringlawyersonline.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Breathaliser.bmp" alt="" width="436" height="287" /></a><br />
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<p>In a report published today Sir Peter North recommended that the legal limit for drink driving should be reduced from 80mg in blood to 50mg, almost half the previous limit. The breath limit will be 25, down from 35. This is not as big a reduction as the blood because a different basis for calculation will be used. The reality is that the majority of tests will be done on breath so the reduction is not as big as the headline figures suggest.</p>
<p>This means in effect that anyone who has more than 1 drink before driving is likely to be over the limit BUT as I often say on this blog it is very difficult to assess the level of alcohol in your blood and the only sensible advice is not to drink at all, this is even more valid now. The body of the report says that they considered a zero limit but this was decided against because the gut produces some alcohol and items such as cough mixture may produce a small amount. The limit was set specifically to allow people to consume a small amount of alcohol as part of a religious festival. This above anything else shows how tough the new law intends to be.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">NO MORE LEEWAY</span></p>
<p>The law is also to be toughened up by not allowing any leeway. Previously although the legal limit for drink driving was 35 in breath (equivalent to 80 in blood) no one was charged if their reading was below 40. The North Review recommends that this is removed. The recommended legal limit in breath is to be 25 and the report makes it clear that people should be charged at 25, not allowed an additional tolerance.</p>
<p>The North Review also made other recommendations.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">DRINK DRIVE LIMITS NOT REDUCED FURTHER FOR YOUNG DRIVERS, OR TAXI/LORRY DRIVERS</span></p>
<p>They rejected calls for a lower limit of 20 mg in  blood for drivers of HGVs, PSVs or taxis and private hire vehicles but the court will consider this an aggravating factor. They also rejected reducing the limit for young or novice drivers but this is to be reviewed in 5 years time if casualties in that category are not reduced.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">NO RIGHT TO INSIST ON A BLOOD TEST FOR LOWER LIMITS OF DRINK DRIVING</span></p>
<p>Perhaps one of the biggest changes is the removal of the statutory option contained in section 8(2) of the Road Traffic Act 1988. This means that at present if the alcohol in your breath is between 40 and 50 you are allowed to insist on a blood or urine test. It is proposed that this will go. Does this mean the government are now convinced of the accuracy of their machines or just an example of the determination to get tough on drink driving?</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">HARSHER PENALTIES FOR REFUSING A BREATH TEST</span></p>
<p>There is bad news too for people who try to avoid the provisions by not providing a breath test. They will automatically go into the High Risk Offenders scheme. Once placed on this scheme drivers will not be able to get their licence back without first being assessed by a Department for Transport-approved doctor.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">PERMANENT BANS FOR REPEAT OFFENDERS</span></p>
<p>Repeat offenders also face having their vehicle seized and forfeited and the courts are to be encouraged to impose permanent bans for repeat offenders.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">POLICE NO LONGER NEED REASONABLE GROUNDS TO SUSPECT DRINK DRIVING</span></p>
<p>Currently police officers have to have reasonable grounds to suspect that someone has alcohol in their body, this is to go and police will have a general power to ask anyone to co operate with a preliminary breath test. Police will also be able to insist on a breath test at the police station without a preliminary (roadside) test.</p>
<p>The full report is available here &#8211; <a href="http://northreview.independent.gov.uk/report">http://northreview.independent.gov.uk/report</a></p>
<p>What do you think? Too harsh or not harsh enough?</p>
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		<title>Defendants Legal costs cap &#8216;unlawful&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringlawyersonline.com/wordpress/2010/06/15/defendants-legal-costs-cap-unlawful/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The High Court ruled today that the scheme introduced by the previous government that limited the amount payable to successful defendants was unlawful. 
This hit motorists particularly hard. In effect it meant that if you were taken to court wrongly by the government and won your case then you could only claim your legal fees [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The High Court ruled today that the scheme introduced by the previous government that limited the amount payable to successful defendants was unlawful. <a rel="attachment wp-att-155" href="http://www.motoringlawyersonline.com/wordpress/2010/06/15/defendants-legal-costs-cap-unlawful/high-court/"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-155" title="High Court" src="http://www.motoringlawyersonline.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/High-Court-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>This hit motorists particularly hard. In effect it meant that if you were taken to court wrongly by the government and won your case then you could only claim your legal fees back at Legal Aid rates, even though you would not have been eligible for Legal Aid. Legal Aid rates have not been increased for over 10 years and no specialist motoring solicitor would charge at Legal Aid rates. This meant that motorists again had to fund the legal system and pay the shortfall, even though they were forced to defend themselves against wrongful charges by the Government.</p>
<p>Thankfully that is behind us and we are back to the old, fairer system whereby you can employ the solicitor of your choice, safe in the knowledge that if you win you will be able to reclaim your legal fees back.</p>
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		<title>Will I get Legal Aid for drink Driving?</title>
		<link>http://www.motoringlawyersonline.com/wordpress/2010/06/13/will-i-get-legal-aid-for-drink-driving/</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[A topical issue, police have been issuing warnings about drink driving during the World Cup. Despite this people will still get caught, often in my experience, because they tried to judge the amount they could drink and got it wrong. The only advice can ever be &#8211; don&#8217;t try and guess, get a taxi.
A conviction for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A topical issue, police have been issuing warnings about drink driving during the World Cup. Despite this people will still get caught, often in my experience, because they tried to judge the amount they could drink and got it wrong. The only advice can ever be &#8211; don&#8217;t try and guess, get a taxi.</p>
<p>A conviction for drink driving can have devastating effects, often leading to loss of a job, loss of homes and breakdown of relationships. If you are caught drink driving and there is no defence you will get banned.</p>
<p>So do you need a lawyer? Even if you are pleading guilty a good Drink driving lawyer can help reduce the length of the ban and this can make a big difference to someone who needs to get back to work as soon as possible.</p>
<p>What if you can&#8217;t afford a drink driving lawyer? You are entitled to ask for the duty solicitor who can represent you at court. You might get lucky and get a good one but there is no guarantee. Some duty solicitors have been qualified for years, some just a year. Most  legal aid lawyers are overworked and underpaid. The  duty solicitor on the day may be acting for 10 other people including drug addicts up for their weekly court appearance. Frankly the druggy is more important to the legal aid lawyer, you are not going to be a repeat client but the lawyer may get a client for life in the druggy. So you may not get much personal attention in the 15 minutes between the duty solicitor getting the papers and being called into court.</p>
<p>You can of course arrange a lawyer before the day and they can apply for legal aid for you.</p>
<p>I order to qualify for legal aid you need to show 2 things, firstly that the case is one that needs a solicitor (this is called the interest of justice test). You are only likely to pass this test if there is a risk of prison or it is complex.</p>
<p>The second test is the financial test. You have to show that you cannot afford a solicitor. The court use a complex formula for working this out &#8211; this link helps you calculate whether you will qualify. <a href="http://www.legalservices.gov.uk/criminal/getting_legal_aid/initial_means_test.asp">http://www.legalservices.gov.uk/criminal/getting_legal_aid/initial_means_test.asp</a></p>
<p>If you do not qualify for legal aid you may feel that it is worth investing in a specialist drink driving solicitor, for less than a months wages you can be represented in court with the lawyer persuading the court to reduce the length of the ban.</p>
<p>For free initial specialist drink driving advice call 07799 383239.</p>
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		<title>How long do I have to wait for a speeding fine?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am often asked how long the police have to issue a summons after you are caught by a speed camera.
There are 2 times limits to take into account.
The police have 14 days after you are flashed by a speed camera to send a notice of intended prosecution to the registered keeper of the vehicle. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am often asked how long the police have to issue a summons after you are caught by a speed camera.</p>
<p>There are 2 times limits to take into account.</p>
<p>The police have 14 days after you are flashed by a speed camera to send a notice of intended prosecution to the registered keeper of the vehicle. That means that if you own the car and it is registered at your address if you have not heard anything within 14 days then there is nothing the police can do.</p>
<p>Once you have received the notice of intended prosecution then the Police have 6 months to apply for a summons, sometime you get the summons after the 6 month period but the police must have applied for the summons within 6 months.</p>
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		<title>Caught drink driving, what will happen?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 19:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you are caught drink driving the first thing to realise is that the court has to disqualify you from driving for a minimum of 12 months. They have no discretion.
Don&#8217;t listen to the guy in the pub who tells you that he knew someone who avoided a ban for drink driving because it would have [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are caught drink driving the first thing to realise is that the court has to disqualify you from driving for a minimum of 12 months. They have no discretion.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t listen to the guy in the pub who tells you that he knew someone who avoided a ban for drink driving because it would have meant losing his job. <strong>IT&#8217;S NOT TRUE. </strong> Rather than listening to the bar room lawyer take advice from a specialist motoring solicitor. There is no way to avoid a ban for drink driving on the grounds that you will lose your job or any other consequences, this is regardless of how little you were over the limit.</p>
<p>There are ways to avoid a disqualification for drink driving, these are called special reasons and relate to things such as shortness of distance driven or where you can show that your drinks were spiked with alcohol.</p>
<p>So how long will you be banned for drink driving? That depends on the level of your reading. Assuming that there is nothing that makes the matter more serious such as a crash then the table below shows you what to expect. This is taken from the book that the magistrates will use in court when deciding upon sentence.</p>
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<p><strong>Remember these are only guidelines , </strong>a good specialist motoring solicitor may be able to reduce the drink driving ban by a couple of<strong> </strong>months or more. You may feel that it is worth investing in the services of a specialist motoring lawyer, especially if it means losing your job; being able to get back to work 2 months earlier may make a big difference.</p>
<p>Contact Steve Williams on 07799 383239 for free initial advice.</p>
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		<title>Ever been tempted to let someone else &#8216;take your points&#8217;?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get lots of calls from people who have just received a notice of intended prosecution. This is often the first stage of a speeding prosecution. It is basically a request from the police for the registered keeper of the vehicle to name the driver.
On rare occasions I have clients who ask me whether it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get lots of calls from people who have just received a notice of intended prosecution. This is often the first stage of a speeding prosecution. It is basically a request from the police for the registered keeper of the vehicle to name the driver.</p>
<p>On rare occasions I have clients who ask me whether it would be easier for them to just say their wife was driving.</p>
<p>I always warn them that they would be committing a serious crime &#8211; perverting the course of justice.</p>
<p>This case from Nottingham shows what can happen if you try to blame someone else for your speeding -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.granthamjournal.co.uk/news/national/taxi_driver_avoids_jail_over_speeding_lie_1_631511">http://www.granthamjournal.co.uk/news/national/taxi_driver_avoids_jail_over_speeding_lie_1_631511</a></p>
<p>They were lucky, the case hadn&#8217;t gone too far and they got away with a suspended prison sentence, normally it is an immediate prison sentence.</p>
<p>The simple advice &#8211; don&#8217;t do it. No matter how bad it seems it is not worth the risk, as an experienced motoring solicitor I can normally help. It is rarely as bad as it seems and never worth risking a prison sentence.</p>
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		<title>Motoring Solicitor&#8217;s advice on Toyota recalls</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This week has seen news that Toyota will be making further recalls to their cars.
Last week there were concerns about the accelarator, now it is concern over brakes.
Where does this leave the Toyota driver in relation to the law?
It is hard to imagine that there are many Toyota drivers that are not aware of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week has seen news that Toyota will be making further recalls to their cars.</p>
<p>Last week there were concerns about the accelarator, now it is concern over brakes.</p>
<p>Where does this leave the Toyota driver in relation to the law?<img class="size-medium wp-image-105 alignright" title="toyota-prius and the law" src="http://www.motoringlawyersonline.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/toyota-prius-300x207.jpg" alt="toyota-prius and the law" width="300" height="207" /></p>
<p>It is hard to imagine that there are many Toyota drivers that are not aware of the potential fault given all of the publicity. This has effectively put them on notice that there may be a safety issue with the car.</p>
<p>If a Toyota driver was involved in an accident, having been made aware of the potential safety issues, then they may face criminal charges because they drove a car knowing that there may be a fault.</p>
<p>Dangerous driving can be committed in relation to either the manner of driving or the condition of the car.</p>
<p>If you are convicted of dangerous driving then the court must disqualify you from driving.</p>
<p>The best advice to Toyota drivers is to ensure that their car is not affected, if it is then arrangements must be made immediately for it to be collected and repaired.</p>
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		<title>Average speed cameras on all Britain&#8217;s motorways?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Average speed cameras could be fitted on all of Britain&#8217;s motorways if new proposals are approved by the Government. 
In a recent report the governement agency predicted that if all drivers stuck to 70mph, the UK&#8217;s carbon emissions would be cut by 1.4 million tonnes.
The Sustainable Development Commission argued against traditional speed cameras saying that drivers slam [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-101" title="cars passing speed camera" src="http://www.motoringlawyersonline.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/cars-passing-speed-camera-300x189.jpg" alt="cars passing speed camera" width="300" height="189" />Average speed cameras could be fitted on all of Britain&#8217;s motorways if new proposals are approved by the Government. </h2>
<p>In a recent report the governement agency predicted that if all drivers stuck to 70mph, the UK&#8217;s carbon emissions would be cut by 1.4 million tonnes.</p>
<p>The Sustainable Development Commission argued against traditional speed cameras saying that drivers slam on the brakes as they approach and then speed off after.  Average speed cameras encourage more smoother driving, which, it argues is more environmentally friendly.</p>
<p>The average speed camera devices lead to fewer accidents and speeding tickets on the roads where they are installed than normal speed cameras, a new report by the Government&#8217;s environmental advisers claims.</p>
<p>The government is looking to extend this beyond motorways with a new generation of cameras that can track journeys over a network of streets. This could mean speed cameras being fitted on all residential roads with a speed limit of 20 mph.</p>
<p>Quite how this would work in practice is unclear. The average speed cameras work by calculating the distance travelled and the time taken, arriving at an average speed. It is rare indeed to be able to drive at anything approaching the speed limit on Britains crowded urban streets.</p>
<p>We may not have the choice of speed soon as the report goes further, suggesting capping all cars to make it impossible to break the speed limit. Given that the courts sometimes accept special reasons for speeding such as an emergency this would be an interesting development</p>
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		<title>Speed awareness course launched in Nottingham</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you are caught speeding in Nottingham from today there is now an alternative to points on your licence. 
A course for drivers who have been caught speeding is being launched in Nottingham today.
The course will be for people caught speeding and will be an alternative to points.
This type of course is available in many parts [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are caught speeding in Nottingham from today there is now an alternative to points on your licence. <img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-96" title="SpeedCamera01cropped" src="http://www.motoringlawyersonline.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/SpeedCamera01cropped-242x300.jpg" alt="SpeedCamera01cropped" width="242" height="300" /></p>
<p>A course for drivers who have been caught speeding is being launched in Nottingham today.</p>
<p>The course will be for people caught speeding and will be an alternative to points.</p>
<p>This type of course is available in many parts of the country but until today was not available in Nottingham.</p>
<p>It is estimated that as many as 15,000 motorists a year will take the half-day course, which  looks into why people speed and the consequnces of speeding</p>
<p>Guidelines vary across the country as to whether motorists are eligible for the speed awareness course. Generally it is available for people who have no points on their licence and who were only slightly over the speed limit.</p>
<p>Drivers will have the option of going on the course which means they will not have any points put on their licence.</p>
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